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		<title>By: BM</title>
		<link>http://www.kubatanablogs.net/kubatana/get-up-and-get-out-and-support-the-political-change/#comment-83661</link>
		<dc:creator>BM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good ideas tho&#039; pulling down portraits could be &#039;insulting&#039; the &#039;pres&#039;? Zanu-pf is so good at ad libbing the law. Would be good if the MDC MPs called you together. We do need to know what they are doing/thinking... so frustrating to have a blank MDC website. What&#039;s happened to Simba? Where is he? any response from him? Is he going to stick with opposition or slink back? How to stay sane and calm... and not lose the obvious victory?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good ideas tho&#8217; pulling down portraits could be &#8216;insulting&#8217; the &#8216;pres&#8217;? Zanu-pf is so good at ad libbing the law. Would be good if the MDC MPs called you together. We do need to know what they are doing/thinking&#8230; so frustrating to have a blank MDC website. What&#8217;s happened to Simba? Where is he? any response from him? Is he going to stick with opposition or slink back? How to stay sane and calm&#8230; and not lose the obvious victory?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.kubatanablogs.net/kubatana/get-up-and-get-out-and-support-the-political-change/#comment-83636</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The MDC must be patient for a little longer. MT doesn&#039;t need to declare himself winner, find himself arrested, cause Mugabe to declare a state of emergency and cancel the election results.

The delay might not be designed around rigging. They might just be playing for time. They might be trying to work out how they deal with the defeat. And they might also be destroying incriminating data on government computers, etc. But how would Mugabe save face? Does he run away? And what do the service chiefs do, and how do they save face? 

Mugabe&#039;s definitely lost Chinamasa and Comrade Chen, and he&#039;s probably definitely lost several other of his &quot;lieutenants&quot;. He can&#039;t appoint them all to Parliament, so who does he use? He probably wasn&#039;t expecting to lose those guys. He knows ZANU(PF) is split, and won&#039;t really know who he can trust anyway, and some of those may already be trying to persuade him to go.

He can&#039;t be sure that the rank and file of the police and defence forces will follow instructions from their present chiefs, as they will know that it has been fixed and won&#039;t have wanted it. He will be running out of state money and won&#039;t be able to provide them with any better pay and conditions than before. Life will only get worse for them.

It might not be Mugabe who&#039;s in control of this. Others might be the ones playing for time. If the likes of Mujuru and Zvinavashe really were/are on Makoni&#039;s side, might if not be possible that they are pulling ZEC&#039;s strings and getting the delay while they try to persuade Mugabe that he it&#039;s too difficult to rig this time and he should seek a statesmanlike exit? Mujuru and Zvinavashe might even think that they could find more useful/successful roles for themselves in an MDC &quot;unity government&quot; than in an unreformed ZANU(PF).

And I&#039;m not sure how well SADC and Mbeki will take a Mugabe win if it&#039;s not announced until, say, the end of Tuesday. Mugabe might have given Mebki the runaround once too often by now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MDC must be patient for a little longer. MT doesn&#8217;t need to declare himself winner, find himself arrested, cause Mugabe to declare a state of emergency and cancel the election results.</p>
<p>The delay might not be designed around rigging. They might just be playing for time. They might be trying to work out how they deal with the defeat. And they might also be destroying incriminating data on government computers, etc. But how would Mugabe save face? Does he run away? And what do the service chiefs do, and how do they save face? </p>
<p>Mugabe&#8217;s definitely lost Chinamasa and Comrade Chen, and he&#8217;s probably definitely lost several other of his &#8220;lieutenants&#8221;. He can&#8217;t appoint them all to Parliament, so who does he use? He probably wasn&#8217;t expecting to lose those guys. He knows ZANU(PF) is split, and won&#8217;t really know who he can trust anyway, and some of those may already be trying to persuade him to go.</p>
<p>He can&#8217;t be sure that the rank and file of the police and defence forces will follow instructions from their present chiefs, as they will know that it has been fixed and won&#8217;t have wanted it. He will be running out of state money and won&#8217;t be able to provide them with any better pay and conditions than before. Life will only get worse for them.</p>
<p>It might not be Mugabe who&#8217;s in control of this. Others might be the ones playing for time. If the likes of Mujuru and Zvinavashe really were/are on Makoni&#8217;s side, might if not be possible that they are pulling ZEC&#8217;s strings and getting the delay while they try to persuade Mugabe that he it&#8217;s too difficult to rig this time and he should seek a statesmanlike exit? Mujuru and Zvinavashe might even think that they could find more useful/successful roles for themselves in an MDC &#8220;unity government&#8221; than in an unreformed ZANU(PF).</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not sure how well SADC and Mbeki will take a Mugabe win if it&#8217;s not announced until, say, the end of Tuesday. Mugabe might have given Mebki the runaround once too often by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bev Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.kubatanablogs.net/kubatana/get-up-and-get-out-and-support-the-political-change/#comment-83600</link>
		<dc:creator>Bev Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi BM

Thanks for posting your comment. There is much that the MDC can do within the framework of the law in Zimbabwe. It is imperative for them to keep their supporters engaged and to maintain the momentum and the excitement that they generated when they claimed victory.

For example
- As mentioned above, there is no law stating Zimbabweans must display Mugabe&#039;s portrait. The majority of Zimbabweans have voted Tsvangirai. In order to create ways for people to explore and engage in non-violent defiance and non-cooperation the MDC should ask Zimbabweans to pull the portraits down.

- There is no law saying that people can&#039;t hoot their horns, display the Chinja wave and play loud music. MDC campaign vehicles should be visiting various suburbs and sharing their victory and excitement. Going one step further the MDC should send out bulk SMS messages to their supporters asking them to all hoot for freedom at 1pm these next few days.

- We have received no word or communication from MDC MPs calling us to constituency based meetings which would unify, and most importantly, build courage in Zimbabweans for the next few days.

These are the sorts of activities that need to be unfolding NOW to keep Zimbabweans engaged and hopeful and most importantly, preparing us for collective action.

What do you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi BM</p>
<p>Thanks for posting your comment. There is much that the MDC can do within the framework of the law in Zimbabwe. It is imperative for them to keep their supporters engaged and to maintain the momentum and the excitement that they generated when they claimed victory.</p>
<p>For example<br />
- As mentioned above, there is no law stating Zimbabweans must display Mugabe&#8217;s portrait. The majority of Zimbabweans have voted Tsvangirai. In order to create ways for people to explore and engage in non-violent defiance and non-cooperation the MDC should ask Zimbabweans to pull the portraits down.</p>
<p>- There is no law saying that people can&#8217;t hoot their horns, display the Chinja wave and play loud music. MDC campaign vehicles should be visiting various suburbs and sharing their victory and excitement. Going one step further the MDC should send out bulk SMS messages to their supporters asking them to all hoot for freedom at 1pm these next few days.</p>
<p>- We have received no word or communication from MDC MPs calling us to constituency based meetings which would unify, and most importantly, build courage in Zimbabweans for the next few days.</p>
<p>These are the sorts of activities that need to be unfolding NOW to keep Zimbabweans engaged and hopeful and most importantly, preparing us for collective action.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: BM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The MDC is right to follow the law. The ZEC has to announce the results. If the MDC and people &#039;do&#039; anything before that point it is very likely that Mugabe will have them arrested, perhaps even declare martial law. Don&#039;t give him the excuse. It is fantastic people are so calm and prepared to act within the law. There is no move to make except making the polling station results known and waiting for ZEC to announce the results and compare them before acting. No doubt there is rigging going on but in fact Zanu-pf don&#039;t have much room to rig.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MDC is right to follow the law. The ZEC has to announce the results. If the MDC and people &#8216;do&#8217; anything before that point it is very likely that Mugabe will have them arrested, perhaps even declare martial law. Don&#8217;t give him the excuse. It is fantastic people are so calm and prepared to act within the law. There is no move to make except making the polling station results known and waiting for ZEC to announce the results and compare them before acting. No doubt there is rigging going on but in fact Zanu-pf don&#8217;t have much room to rig.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Zimbabwe: What is MDC waiting for?</title>
		<link>http://www.kubatanablogs.net/kubatana/get-up-and-get-out-and-support-the-political-change/#comment-83589</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Zimbabwe: What is MDC waiting for?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bev Clark writes about elections in Zimbabwe:&#8221;But what now? What is the MDC waiting for . . . the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission&#039;s &quot;official&quot; results which everyone is suspicious of? It seems odd to temper a wonderfully audacious move (claiming victory) with the predictable path of comparing results.&#8221;   Share This [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bev Clark writes about elections in Zimbabwe:&#8221;But what now? What is the MDC waiting for . . . the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission&#8217;s &#8220;official&#8221; results which everyone is suspicious of? It seems odd to temper a wonderfully audacious move (claiming victory) with the predictable path of comparing results.&#8221;   Share This [...]</p>
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