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		<title>By: Farai Dumbura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farai Dumbura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I seriously agree with Upenyu here, publishing this list wont do anything to change the situation on the ground. Will anyone on the list be tried for anything outside of Zimbabwe, in case they are found guilty of what they are accused of? Does this happen in the UK and if it does, whats the degree of contempt associated with it? No I dont agree with the publishing of this list because after all has been ssid and done and the &quot;democratic process&quot; finished, we still need these institutions and exposing them like this isnt being transparent at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously agree with Upenyu here, publishing this list wont do anything to change the situation on the ground. Will anyone on the list be tried for anything outside of Zimbabwe, in case they are found guilty of what they are accused of? Does this happen in the UK and if it does, whats the degree of contempt associated with it? No I dont agree with the publishing of this list because after all has been ssid and done and the &#8220;democratic process&#8221; finished, we still need these institutions and exposing them like this isnt being transparent at all.</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am curious to know why you consider the exposure of Mugabe&#039;s thugs to be &quot;counter-revolutionary&quot;? In light of the Wikileaks phenomenon and the rise of people power in North Africa and elsewhere, real transparency and accountability is finally a possibility. These foundations for a free society will never come through the largesse of dictators and anti-democrats but through the struggles of ordinary people who wrest power away from autocrats and their thugs.

Exposing the machinery of oppression is in itself a noble pursuit irrespective of any other considerations.

You accuse SW Radio Africa of using &quot;circumstantial and inconclusive evidence&quot; and then, in the same paragraph, leap into a completely different topic accusing a journalist who made a mistake of being forever unbelievable as a result. This sleight of hand undermines your argument (whatever that might be because it escapes me). The &quot;circumstantial and inconclusive evidence&quot; is pretty conclusive but more importantly, given the information clampdown by the thuggish regime and the subversion of the legal system in Zimbabwe, what do you expect? Signed Affidavits? 

CIO taken out of context

How does tracing the roots of the CIO back to Rhodesian days assist your case except to show the continuities between the racist regime and Mugabe&#039;s reign? Exposing the names of a few hundred operatives is &#039;unpacking&#039; the institution and raising the possibility of accountability for those who actually carry out the evil deeds of the Mugabe regime. If even only one of those thugs wakes up and decides to quit or plead for forgiveness, then the publication will have done some good

The Deficiencies of the institution 

Why should SW radio Africa be obliged to cover what you determine? If you want a structural analysis of the Office of the President, try do it and see how far you get.

A reactionary measure

A rather infantile analysis! Do you really think Zimbabwe has any &quot;revolutionary&quot; potential? When 70% of its adult population has fled? When it is the second poorest country in the world? You seek to support your argument through implicit rather than explicit arguments, through assertion rather than logic and end up having no argument at all.

You assert without any evidence to know what the motives of SW Radio Africa were - &quot;it was done without thought as to objectives and consequences, as though placing information in the public domain is the end, rather than the means to it.&quot;

You end without conclusion to sum up your case, no doubt rushing off to post some pro-Mugabe drivel elsewhere on the internet which seems to be a primary function of CIO operatives these days, although the similarities of language and the fact that you only quote him, leads me to believe that you and Miles-Tendi are one and the same.

Kudos to SW Radio Africa and more power to them! Let more government employees come forward with information to expose those who betrayed the trust of the people and turned our government into a brutal cabal of thieves and killers whose only concern is self-enrichment at any price. I feel shame for those who parrot the deluded propaganda of a doomed dictatorship – no doubt, after Mugabe’s downfall, they will say we never really supported him and then go on to sing the praises of the next bastard in power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious to know why you consider the exposure of Mugabe&#8217;s thugs to be &#8220;counter-revolutionary&#8221;? In light of the Wikileaks phenomenon and the rise of people power in North Africa and elsewhere, real transparency and accountability is finally a possibility. These foundations for a free society will never come through the largesse of dictators and anti-democrats but through the struggles of ordinary people who wrest power away from autocrats and their thugs.</p>
<p>Exposing the machinery of oppression is in itself a noble pursuit irrespective of any other considerations.</p>
<p>You accuse SW Radio Africa of using &#8220;circumstantial and inconclusive evidence&#8221; and then, in the same paragraph, leap into a completely different topic accusing a journalist who made a mistake of being forever unbelievable as a result. This sleight of hand undermines your argument (whatever that might be because it escapes me). The &#8220;circumstantial and inconclusive evidence&#8221; is pretty conclusive but more importantly, given the information clampdown by the thuggish regime and the subversion of the legal system in Zimbabwe, what do you expect? Signed Affidavits? </p>
<p>CIO taken out of context</p>
<p>How does tracing the roots of the CIO back to Rhodesian days assist your case except to show the continuities between the racist regime and Mugabe&#8217;s reign? Exposing the names of a few hundred operatives is &#8216;unpacking&#8217; the institution and raising the possibility of accountability for those who actually carry out the evil deeds of the Mugabe regime. If even only one of those thugs wakes up and decides to quit or plead for forgiveness, then the publication will have done some good</p>
<p>The Deficiencies of the institution </p>
<p>Why should SW radio Africa be obliged to cover what you determine? If you want a structural analysis of the Office of the President, try do it and see how far you get.</p>
<p>A reactionary measure</p>
<p>A rather infantile analysis! Do you really think Zimbabwe has any &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; potential? When 70% of its adult population has fled? When it is the second poorest country in the world? You seek to support your argument through implicit rather than explicit arguments, through assertion rather than logic and end up having no argument at all.</p>
<p>You assert without any evidence to know what the motives of SW Radio Africa were &#8211; &#8220;it was done without thought as to objectives and consequences, as though placing information in the public domain is the end, rather than the means to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>You end without conclusion to sum up your case, no doubt rushing off to post some pro-Mugabe drivel elsewhere on the internet which seems to be a primary function of CIO operatives these days, although the similarities of language and the fact that you only quote him, leads me to believe that you and Miles-Tendi are one and the same.</p>
<p>Kudos to SW Radio Africa and more power to them! Let more government employees come forward with information to expose those who betrayed the trust of the people and turned our government into a brutal cabal of thieves and killers whose only concern is self-enrichment at any price. I feel shame for those who parrot the deluded propaganda of a doomed dictatorship – no doubt, after Mugabe’s downfall, they will say we never really supported him and then go on to sing the praises of the next bastard in power.</p>
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